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	<title>Comments on: Profanity &amp; Conduct Control Polls</title>
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		<title>By: carladallas</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-18339</link>
		<dc:creator>carladallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>monitoring and managing banning users for something as subjective as meanness would be a mess! I would like to see more effective and quicker banning of flakers. They are the REAL problem in swapbot. I&#039;m going the private route more and more, as others seem to be. I steer away from the forums, only reading the flaker information to try to stay on top of who is running amok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>monitoring and managing banning users for something as subjective as meanness would be a mess! I would like to see more effective and quicker banning of flakers. They are the REAL problem in swapbot. I&#8217;m going the private route more and more, as others seem to be. I steer away from the forums, only reading the flaker information to try to stay on top of who is running amok.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-18330</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just like a radio in my opion - if you don&#039;t like the song that&#039;s on - turn it off.  There is nobody forcing anyone to read/write/participate in the forums.  In addition, there is an age requirement to participate on swap-bot, so why can&#039;t we actually expect adults to act like adults, instead of needing system wide babysitters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just like a radio in my opion &#8211; if you don&#8217;t like the song that&#8217;s on &#8211; turn it off.  There is nobody forcing anyone to read/write/participate in the forums.  In addition, there is an age requirement to participate on swap-bot, so why can&#8217;t we actually expect adults to act like adults, instead of needing system wide babysitters?</p>
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		<title>By: Krissi</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-18328</link>
		<dc:creator>Krissi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to write something of my own here, but I really couldn&#039;t have said it any better than [Dandelion](http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/#comment-17960) did already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to write something of my own here, but I really couldn&#8217;t have said it any better than [Dandelion](http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/#comment-17960) did already.</p>
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		<title>By: Zia</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-18301</link>
		<dc:creator>Zia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to figure people won&#039;t &quot;play&quot; with those who offend them, taking care of the problem in a few weeks by attrition.  

And I despise anyone trying to &quot;legislate&quot; how I choose to express myself and try to remember to extend the same to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to figure people won&#8217;t &#8220;play&#8221; with those who offend them, taking care of the problem in a few weeks by attrition.  </p>
<p>And I despise anyone trying to &#8220;legislate&#8221; how I choose to express myself and try to remember to extend the same to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Justme</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>Justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to put restrictions on the ones who are hateful or inclined to personal attacks, but please do not put censors on the language here. I don&#039;t agree with censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to put restrictions on the ones who are hateful or inclined to personal attacks, but please do not put censors on the language here. I don&#8217;t agree with censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: dandelion</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-17960</link>
		<dc:creator>dandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said cobaltgypsy! 
  
While I do support free speech, I also support the right of a community to establish boundries for behavior.

While I said that I&#039;m not offended by &#039;bad&#039; words (meaning profanity), I am offended by degrading personal attacks and insults no matter what words are used. So, yes I do support establishing some expectation of acceptable/unacceptable behavior. We should be able to disagree while still communicating with respect to one another. If people are unable to restrain themselves from conduct that is verbally abusive, then there should be punitive consequences such as a &#039;time out&#039; from the forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said cobaltgypsy! </p>
<p>While I do support free speech, I also support the right of a community to establish boundries for behavior.</p>
<p>While I said that I&#8217;m not offended by &#8216;bad&#8217; words (meaning profanity), I am offended by degrading personal attacks and insults no matter what words are used. So, yes I do support establishing some expectation of acceptable/unacceptable behavior. We should be able to disagree while still communicating with respect to one another. If people are unable to restrain themselves from conduct that is verbally abusive, then there should be punitive consequences such as a &#8216;time out&#8217; from the forums.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamerkins</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-17958</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamerkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would say, rather than banning people, or even banning from the forums, i think a short-term, while they calm down inability to speak might be good. and if a thread gets nasty, i think it would be good if it was thread-ended, so people could calm down. i know its possible it could move into another thread, but they do that anyway... at least a limit... this thread gets mean, you get a total of 3 pages (or 1-2 days, if thats easier)top get it out of your system, then the thread is shut down...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would say, rather than banning people, or even banning from the forums, i think a short-term, while they calm down inability to speak might be good. and if a thread gets nasty, i think it would be good if it was thread-ended, so people could calm down. i know its possible it could move into another thread, but they do that anyway&#8230; at least a limit&#8230; this thread gets mean, you get a total of 3 pages (or 1-2 days, if thats easier)top get it out of your system, then the thread is shut down&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-17953</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are many people on the ‘bot who have openly admitted to having mental illnesses that can be exacerbated by taunts and jibes.&quot; 

Unfortunately, it is these very swappers who dig their heels in and provoke/manipulate/toss self-pity around that are the biggest instigators of this issue.  One of the ones drolling around this topic as the innocent victim is one of the biggest aggrivators on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are many people on the ‘bot who have openly admitted to having mental illnesses that can be exacerbated by taunts and jibes.&#8221; </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is these very swappers who dig their heels in and provoke/manipulate/toss self-pity around that are the biggest instigators of this issue.  One of the ones drolling around this topic as the innocent victim is one of the biggest aggrivators on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: cobaltgypsy</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-17952</link>
		<dc:creator>cobaltgypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;bad&quot; behaviour, personal attacks, name-calling and the like are the exact reasons that I started a private group. I have enough stress and drama in my own life. 

Swap-bot was intended to be my escape from all of that; a place to express creative ideas and swap art, and to make new friends who thought or felt the same way. I am unable to get out very much, so the swap-bot community is very much an important part of my day-to-day existence.

I would much rather enjoy myself, than listen/read the horrible things that people are doing to one another in the forums. And you&#039;re right, I don&#039;t have to read them, but sometimes, you&#039;re halfway in a conversation before it turns all out ugly.

Geesh people, there&#039;s a war going on, young men and women sacrificing their lives, and we&#039;re gonna argue and call people names and insult their families on the playground? 

I just don&#039;t get it. 

My two cents is that I&#039;d like there to be a filter that we can set, much like we do on our computers to filter those things we find offensive. 

I also feel that if there is bullying going on, very evident bullying, or that someone feels threatened by another &#039;botter, they should have every right to file a complaint and have that person partially suspended, fully suspended or tossed out on their keister altogether, after of course, listening to both sides.

There are many people on the &#039;bot who have openly admitted to having mental illnesses that can be exacerbated by taunts and jibes. 

I think we should respect their courage for admitting those issues to the world and try to be a little kinder, not just to them, but to everyone.

I&#039;m not perfect. I drop a b-word here and there. But I control if and when I say it and I NEVER make personal attacks, particularly about someone&#039;s children or grandchildren (or any other member of their family).

The internet makes it easy to hide behind a computer screen. I wonder if the same things would be said face-to-face?

That aside, I would like to see more monitoring of the forums. I&#039;m all for free speech too, but not at the cost of insulting someone&#039;s family. This is supposed to be adulthood, not grammar school.

Just my two cents.

blessings and peace, 
Gypsy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;bad&#8221; behaviour, personal attacks, name-calling and the like are the exact reasons that I started a private group. I have enough stress and drama in my own life. </p>
<p>Swap-bot was intended to be my escape from all of that; a place to express creative ideas and swap art, and to make new friends who thought or felt the same way. I am unable to get out very much, so the swap-bot community is very much an important part of my day-to-day existence.</p>
<p>I would much rather enjoy myself, than listen/read the horrible things that people are doing to one another in the forums. And you&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t have to read them, but sometimes, you&#8217;re halfway in a conversation before it turns all out ugly.</p>
<p>Geesh people, there&#8217;s a war going on, young men and women sacrificing their lives, and we&#8217;re gonna argue and call people names and insult their families on the playground? </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>My two cents is that I&#8217;d like there to be a filter that we can set, much like we do on our computers to filter those things we find offensive. </p>
<p>I also feel that if there is bullying going on, very evident bullying, or that someone feels threatened by another &#8216;botter, they should have every right to file a complaint and have that person partially suspended, fully suspended or tossed out on their keister altogether, after of course, listening to both sides.</p>
<p>There are many people on the &#8216;bot who have openly admitted to having mental illnesses that can be exacerbated by taunts and jibes. </p>
<p>I think we should respect their courage for admitting those issues to the world and try to be a little kinder, not just to them, but to everyone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not perfect. I drop a b-word here and there. But I control if and when I say it and I NEVER make personal attacks, particularly about someone&#8217;s children or grandchildren (or any other member of their family).</p>
<p>The internet makes it easy to hide behind a computer screen. I wonder if the same things would be said face-to-face?</p>
<p>That aside, I would like to see more monitoring of the forums. I&#8217;m all for free speech too, but not at the cost of insulting someone&#8217;s family. This is supposed to be adulthood, not grammar school.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
<p>blessings and peace,<br />
Gypsy</p>
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		<title>By: dandelion</title>
		<link>http://blog.swap-bot.com/2008/08/28/profanity-conduct-control-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-17951</link>
		<dc:creator>dandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is too bad that it has come to this.  I can understand all sides of the issues being discussed here.  There are times when I&#039;ve been offended and shocked by forum content because we are all supposed to be &#039;adults&#039; here.  The use of &#039;bad&#039; words doesn&#039;t offend/shock me.  What I have objection to is the baiting &amp; bullying which a profanity filter won&#039;t stop.   It does seem to be the same people over and over.   The point is that even though we&#039;re over 18, some folks aren&#039;t going to play nicely.    I have the choice of being sucked into their drama or &#039;clicking&#039; away from it.   
  
Guess the question becomes, what happens to swapbot and/or the forums when you have a large group of people who are &#039;clicking&#039; or staying away because it has become too negative and mean-spirited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is too bad that it has come to this.  I can understand all sides of the issues being discussed here.  There are times when I&#8217;ve been offended and shocked by forum content because we are all supposed to be &#8216;adults&#8217; here.  The use of &#8216;bad&#8217; words doesn&#8217;t offend/shock me.  What I have objection to is the baiting &amp; bullying which a profanity filter won&#8217;t stop.   It does seem to be the same people over and over.   The point is that even though we&#8217;re over 18, some folks aren&#8217;t going to play nicely.    I have the choice of being sucked into their drama or &#8216;clicking&#8217; away from it.   </p>
<p>Guess the question becomes, what happens to swapbot and/or the forums when you have a large group of people who are &#8216;clicking&#8217; or staying away because it has become too negative and mean-spirited?</p>
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